"Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-ha...32.html
Geert Wilders's "Fitna: The Movie"
A Review by Acharya S
www.truthbeknown.com/fitnareview.html
The Fitna video is included towards the bottom of the review. Basically, Wilders provides quotes from the Koran along with current video footage of heinous crimes against humanity to demonstrate the truth behind the so-called "religion of peace" and that we may continue to expect more of the same.
islamwatchers.blogspot.com
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www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-ha...32.html
Geert Wilders's "Fitna: The Movie"
A Review by Acharya S
www.truthbeknown.com/fitnareview.html
The Fitna video is included towards the bottom of the review. Basically, Wilders provides quotes from the Koran along with current video footage of heinous crimes against humanity to demonstrate the truth behind the so-called "religion of peace" and that we may continue to expect more of the same.
islamwatchers.blogspot.com
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:21 PM"Why Critical Scrutiny of Islam Is an Utmost Necessity" by Syed Kamran Mirza
"The problem for—and with—Islam is that one of its periods of literalism, exclusivism, and violent zeal is occurring now."
"In every Muslim country, fundamentalists grasp for power, if they do not already possess it. No Muslim country has a secular government; almost a dozen strictly enforce the 1,400-year-old Sharia law. In all the rest governments are more or less strongly influenced by Sharia."
"Indeed, the belief is widespread among both educated and illiterate Muslims that, one day, all inhabitants of the world will convert to Islam."
"If the reader finds my position harsh, please answer this question: Which world religion or religions proclaim strict dress codes for men as well as women; command crimes such as thievery to be punished by the whip or by chopping off appendages; ordain adulterous women to be stoned and blasphemers to be put to death; encourage believers to look upon adherents of all other religions as worthy of subjugation or death; and inspire fanatics to seek to overthrow secular governments in hopes of establishing religious states in numerous countries worldwide?"
"Islam divides the world into two parts: Dar-al-Harb (the land of war) and Dar-al-Islam (the land of Islam). Dar-al-Harb is the land of the infidels. On the orthodox Islamic view, Muslims are obliged to infiltrate that land, proselytize, and procreate until their numbers increase, and finally engage in warfare to conquer the original inhabitants and impose Islam upon them. Thus shall they convert Dar-al-Harb into Dar-al-Islam."
www.secularhumanism.org/index.php
Wafa Sultan
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 3:50 AMChristianity fit all of those descriptions, up to the Reformation and in some cases beyond. Islam hasn't had its Reformation yet; as Protestants & Catholics eventually, mostly (not counting Ireland) learned to live with each other, history would tell us that Shia and Suni might one day do the same.
The problem is, that when Martin Luther nailed his proclamation on the door, no one had nukes. Nowadays, all bets are off. -
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:40 AMThat reformation is what I'm hoping for John. But that is not going to happen without pressure to do so when Muslims are having a sort of revival of Islams violent history.
Christianity had its reformation because of pressure to do so. Christians in the US today can thank the SECULAR US Constitution and 1st Amendment for their taming.
If folks worldwide are going to continue to cower to Islam and Muslims for fear of violence then, don't expect that reformation. Sam Harris is spot on. The west is losing its spine to save its neck. -
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 8:54 AMThis just in ...
Jordanian former minister: Islam will conquer the world
"On May 2 on Hamas' Al-Aqsa Television, former Jordanian Minister Ali Al-Faqir vows to conquer Spain and Rome and declares that America and the EU will soon come to an end."
www.liveleak.com/view
israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2008/...r.html
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:12 AMChopper, you seem rather focused on fear Islam. As a secular humanist if you had your 'druthers what would you do? Would you outlaw the paractice of the Islamic faith in the U.S.? Ban the Koran? Deport Muslims? Close down Mosques?
I doubt anyone on this tribe has any sympathy for radical Islam or any fundamentalist religion, but I think most of us support civil liberities including the right of people to believe in even the most bizarre religions. The Bible also has a lot of creepy stuff and in this country I see a bigger danger coming from Christian teachings than any other. The Christian Right at least in the U.S. is more of a danger to secular values than Islam is at this time. -
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:37 AMHumm "I see a bigger danger coming from Christian teachings than any other. The Christian Right at least in the U.S. is more of a danger to secular values than Islam is at this time."
- This is utterly false. Christians have been kept at bay since the Constitution. And we have organizations with years of experience keeping them in their place. We don't have the same safeguards in place to protect from Islam because so many folks are either ignorant of their plans, goals or don't take them seriously or they passively give Muslims special treatment and privileges to the point where for example, like throughout Europe where police are no longer allowed to go for say an honor killing because Muslims have taken over the religion.
Before simply dismissing me and my posts off as focused on fear - did you read the article "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris? Or even the other article from secular humanism .org - "Why Critical Scrutiny of Islam Is an Utmost Necessity"?
Dhimwit: A non-Muslim member of a free society that abets the stated cause of Islamic domination with remarkable gullibility. A dhimwit is always quick to extend sympathy to the very enemy that would take away his or her own freedom (or life) if given the opportunity."
www.thereligionofpeace.com/Page...s.htm
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 10:05 AMI believe that in the US it is organized Christians who pose a threat to reprodutive rights, separation of church and state, human rights for gay people and the teaching of evolution. These particular Christians have no use for the Constitution and many would junk it in favor of "Biblical Law." It takes vigilance to safeguard the Constiution from attack by the Christian Right, the same sort of vigilance is needed in reguard to extreme Islam.
In defending civil liberities for Muslims it is not necessary to have sympathy for their ideas. I can for instance support the 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion and still favor prosecuting those involved in "honor killings" and oppose the imposition sharia law in the west.
I think calling those of us who disagree with you "dhimwit" is similar to calling those who opposed McCarthyism "useful idiots"
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Re: "Losing Our Spines to Save Our Necks" by Sam Harris
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:47 AMIf you think that Christianity is worse than Islam then, you don't know anything about Islam. I agree with your views about the 1st amendment. However, you seem totally unaware of the tactics used by Muslims to gain dominance to implement sharia law and our own political leaders who will give them whatever they want. Meanwhile, Christianity has been held at bay like always. I don't disagree with you though so don't think that I do. We're onto Christians and their tactics - Islam and Muslims are a very different story.
From the Harris article:
"When I was still a member of what is probably best termed the British Jihadi Network, a series of semi-autonomous British Muslim terrorist groups linked by a single ideology, I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy. By blaming the government for our actions, those who pushed the 'Blair's bombs' line did our propaganda work for us. More important, they also helped to draw away any critical examination from the real engine of our violence: Islamic theology."
So much for western colonialism giving rise to all Islamic terrorism.
As Harris then notes:
"It is astounding how infrequently one hears such candor among the public voices of "moderate" Islam. This is what we owe the true moderates of the Muslim world: we must hold their co-religionists to the same standards of civility and reasonableness that we take for granted in all other people. Only our willingness to openly criticize Islam for its all-too-obvious failings can make it safe for Muslim moderates, secularists, apostates--and, indeed, women--to rise up and reform their faith."
Harris on Tucker video - "Liberals Need to Stop Defending Islam/Jihad in America"
video.google.com/videoplay
BTW, I wasn't calling you a "dhimwit" however the definition accurately defines what is going on throughout the western world and folks should be made aware of it.
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-- Omar M. Ahmad, founder of Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
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