I am guessing this is a school project of some kind?

That would require me to open a bible... *shutter* :P

Yes. Islam is the worst of those listed. Even as practiced in non-Middle Eastern counties.

People seem to be having trouble understanding the question. As for my motives for asking, other than trying to stimulate debate (hopefully on another thread), they are my own.

This, however, was interesting:

www.timesonline.co.uk/article...,00.html

Of course, he is mis-interpreting Dawkins, who makes a case that this is HOW supernaturalism is spreads, not WHY.

My question was, of the six largest organized forms of "supernaturalism" (listed earlier), in what order would you rank them from top to bottom, using whatever criteria of worst to best, least best to most best, most dangerous to least dangerous, whatever to whatever, using whatever criteria that you wish.

Was the project so big, the deadline so close, the desire to proof you’re right so burning that you couldn’t wait till the results of your survey were in, as you put it? Are you really interetsed in a debate/discussion? You were extremely proud of that Pakistani woman? Already forgotten her name is Mukhtar Mai or were you just attracted to her origin?! How come you’re so sure she won’t live long? Freudian slip? Inside information? Want her gone as another evidence for your opinions?!

It seems to me you’re using her plight to make your biased point; pointless, not to say immoral. Don’t you know there are easier, more effective and more humane ways to reach any honest and decent goal? Let me point out that you could take her as a shining light. I hope she lives longer and healthier than anybody else to enjoy life as much as she possibly could and to continue the necessary and great job she’s doing right now.

You asked a nr. of questions and made a few assumptions. My answers are scattered in the paragraphs below.

Who said you were defending Christianity? Deduced that from my post? Read it again carefully… In my limited links, I refered to (child)abuse committed by priests, troops serving the White House (= democracy) as well as by family members, friends and acquaintances probably representing all the colours of the rainbow. I obviously didn’t think, let alone write, you were defending any specific religion or secular system. In other words, my reaction wouldn’t have been different if you had put all Christians, Buddhists, democrats, communists etc. in the same narrow basket.

I am not surprised you, once again, limited yourself to the Islam and Muhammad to hit your nail on the head with, as usual so far, vague ror no references and meager elaboration. Well, for your knowledge, I also abhor and condemn firmly the prejudices and crimes that exist in the Islamic world; arguably more than you do. Nevertheless, accepting that the reality is vaster than you assume and fighting for justice and equality for all is what matters to me. I see this as the starting point of any successful campaign. I can’t ask my neighbour to help cleaning the street if I continue throwing dirt, while part of already existing foul is mine; can you? The Issues we're talking about are obviously complexer than the above, aren't they? Impartiality is therefore of cardinal singnificance.

For that matter, are you interetsed in condemning the behaviour, including sexual moralitiy, of all religious or secular leaders and other common mortals? Not only those living in the desert in the past millenia but also our contemporaries in their imperial castles, lavish villa’s or simple houses/huts? I still say that these shameful crimes belong, unfortunately, to all periods of history and happen in all places; they’re thus timeless and universal.

Regardless of the number of people we interact with or volume of sources we consult, it can’t be more than a roomful compared with the billions of possibilities on planet Earth. Your knowlegde is, in my view, as limited as mine. Yet you attribute (some of) your opinions to ”everybody, you know rape is generally accepted as WRONG in Christianity and, although agruably not often enough, punished. In Islam, it is not only accepted as the norm, but encouraged…”

That’s why I sort of thought you live in a stunning closet: A space so narrow that one could lose consciousness, become numb and eventually think less than an animal in a freezer.
In a zoo you’ve wonderful creatures. They are less gifted than humans who (un)consciously find pleasure in mishandling them. The analogy is that you just need to put the blinders off and you’ll be amazed how many lovely beasts AND people are being abused by seemingly innnocent or holy follows in our immediate neighbourhood. It’s a public secret that many people and authorities in all countries know of the existence of such crimes and yet choose to keep their mouth sealed. Even more disgusting is the fact that many culprits are caught and not punished thanks to their privileged position…

I’d say: Put some effort in all the above, do your own research… In short, broaden your horizons and mine. This would at the very least plead for you positively and polish the image you leave behind.

On another level, I actually pity you Erik. It seems repeating yourself is one of your favourite hobbies. A natural predilection? You keep saying ”Who made you the tribe referee? Go start your own thread, you gotta give me all of them or you get thrown out of the pool, my motives for asking… are my own etc. “. Well, this tribe and other comparably serious ones are not the right place to recruit disciples. You’ve discovered it yourself that you wouldn’t get many responses here. Dilemma explained? Riddle solved? Got it now?

Thank you for proofreading my post. It actually contains more mistakes than you’ve mentioned/noticed. By the way, ever read yours? Is your own proofreader hibernating? Sorry, I have neither the time nor the desire to return the honour. As you’ve implied, I don’t read as much as I’d like. But of course I’ve read the threads I gave. Have you? I’ve also read a couple of books recently, including Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s. You know, the lady you seem (so) infatueted with? Is she your only enlightened reading? Not bad, but there is more fish in the ocean.

Bottom line: You’ve probably heard of the list compiled by someone with biased opinions. He started with a simple question on internet, something like: How many Westerners were killed by Moslims? His quest delivered a list containing tens of thousands of Westerners allegedlly murdered by Moslims, with dates and places. Another sick brain with equally preconceived objectievs put the reverse question on the digital highway. Result: A list with hundreds of thousands of Muslims allegedlly killed by Westerners, with more details than the first. The 2 lists have many things in common, among others:

1. They both contain many documented facts and at least as many fables;
2. The majority of us don’t take them seriously (hopefully). But radicals of all colours, creeds and countries are using them to recruit the killers of their next victims and that could be any of us.

This is how far it could go, buddy. We don’t know each other, reason why I am certainly not comparing you or your list with the above-mentioned guys/lists. I am simply saying: We should all look before we leap. And agreed, let’s avoid slipping into anybody’s level of hypocricy. As far as I’m concerned you’re still welcome, even in my living room; for anything not childish & harmful but maturely playful or serious. And to give for once my own criteria, I’ll react only to an open-minded post.